Discussion:Guerre de palais

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(I can't write French very well, so I'll write in English to make sure I say things correctly. But I can read French well, so feel free to respond in French). @Bédévore Thank you for starting this article! I am the author of the article en:Princely rebellion, which you (partially) translated to write this article. Unfortunately I don't think the title guerre de palais, nor the alternatives révolte de palais ou révolution de palais adequately describe the subject. The nuances of the English and French languages may be different, of course, but generally speaking, a 'palace revolution' (or 'palace coup') describes a type of coup d'état, see wikt:en:palace revolution, wikt:en:palace coup, wikt:en:révolution de palais, wikt:fr:révolution de palais. It is not necessarily a long, extensive war, but a quick (lasting a few hours or days), sometimes even bloodless attempt to seize power within a monarchy (typically within a palace). But princely rebellions/revolts are usually full-scale wars which can last for months, years or even decades (e.g. Guerre de Restauration (Portugal) 1640–1668). Finally, I don't know what a guerre de palais is exactly (there seems to be no English equivalent for it, such as "palace war"), but it is very rarely found in Francophone literature as far as I can see (e.g. almost no results on Google Books), and most Francophone Internet results I can find for guerre de palais refer to conflicts within the ruling governments or parties of modern African republics. They have nothing to do with a prince who is trying to overthrow the ruling monarch, or to gain concessions or assurances of that monarch, which is the definition of a princely rebellion.

Aren't we looking for terms such as rébellion princière or révolte princière? I can find a lot of French literature which uses these words. For example, in the recently published book Anne de France: Gouverner au féminin à la Renaissance (2022), page 21, the guerre du Bien public (en:War of the Public Weal) of 1465 is called a rébellion princière:

Bien qu'issu d'une lignée relativement fidèle au pouvoir royal, Pierre participe néanmoins, comme ses frères, à la guerre du Bien public, rébellion princière dirigée contre Louis XI en 1465.

Is that a better title? I hope to hear what you think (feel free to respond in French if you prefer). Nederlandse Leeuw (discuter) 6 décembre 2022 à 20:59 (CET)[répondre]